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Hello, everybody.
Just wanted to say thank you again for your advice and support regarding my situation. I have enjoyed meeting you in this forum. And hope to become more active in the future. I will go ahead and close this discussion. Thank you ag…
DARREL, YOUR A DUMB A$$!
"THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE A FRIEND,IS TO BE ONE" RALPH WALDO EMERSON
NO PROBLEM, I DON'T LIKE MEN WHO TALK TO WOMEN THAT WAY, I WAS RAISED TO TREAT WOMEN WITH RESPECT. LIKE I TOLD HIM EARLIER, IF HE SPOKE TO MY WIFE LIKE THAT, HE WOULD NEED HIS JAW WIRED. SHE DON'T TAKE ANY CRAP FROM MEN EITHER.
Im so sick and tired of people coming on here and giving that "IM SICK" excuse. Its bullshit. We all have problems. That doesn't give anyone the freaken right to be mean or nasty all because they have a problem. I have problems..we all do. Bam you a…
Just so you know this post wasn't in direct defense of anyone just meant as a whole... just so you know : )
Absolutely but I think working in a shelter for years and now a vet has given my insight I never had before ya know what I mean? I - a while ago- would never believe a pet could be found miles and miles away in another shelter but now I realize this…
In Mass it's only 10 days & it becomes the shelters pet to adopt out as we see fit!
Oh NVM I just got that you were talking about yourself lol
Chris were you talking to me? I posted that at around midnight not 4 AM. That was a great story JB. Especially since the dog recognized its owners after so long.
jb:
what a wonderful story! Thanks for sharing.
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- At 7:00pm on February 23, 2009,
Darrell said…
- Thank you for becoming my friend. BTW, as a friend you can now see my page and check out my past and present briards. Jenny is my current companion. May you find as much enjoyment in your new pup as I have found in each of my pets!
- At 11:24pm on February 22, 2009,
Andrew Lemay said…
- I am having a great weekend. What about you? I know what its like to have to hide from nasty people so I hope your still able to get out and have a good time.
Wishing you the best.
- At 8:03am on February 21, 2009,
Vladimir said… - Elena, I do not participate in this board any longer and do not post to discussions. I would point out though, be wary of rash "advice" to carry weapons (whether they be a "night stick" or otherwise) and especially mace or pepper spray. You do not know how use of these devices could end up. Not only might your OWN dog get sprayed in a confrontation, but you could end up yourself prosecuted for assault. Sprays have a known effect and the user is certainly acknowledged as being aware of this and the general purpose for which these items are used. Don't necessarily rely on the ability to posture that you used spray as a "defense," it could go very badly for you. Just as posters in your discussion drew attention to miscreants who were NOT found guilty... so can it work the other way around. Be safe with your dog, but be conservative in your choices, and always think how someone else can present a situation to authorities or describe your actions. And I would perhaps, want to know if the police recorded this woman's identity; since you are imagining about all the unpleasant ways this could develop, would you know where SHE lives if you needed to? The shelter MAY (if she actually confronted them subsequent to your altercation with her) have recorded her information. Again it would be confidential but it might he helpful to you psychologically to know that someone has recorded her personal information should you need it. I hope your discussion plays itself out, it's gotten ridiculous.
- At 9:43pm on February 19, 2009,
Ted said… - Hi Elena
I have only been a member of ASPCA for 3 months, but I have never seen a disscussion go to 17 pages!
For your own peace of mind, I think you should stop reading this blog and forget the stupid comments by Darrell, Chris and some others. They obviously have no job, plenty of time and big egos.
Amazing how some people get their jollies !
After you have been a member of ASPCA for a few weeks, you will find that, no matter what the topic is, usually the same group of people come up with the most idiotic comments.
If I was you, I would add a last post in capital letters "This discussion is finished, the dog is mine and I am keeping it. Thank you !"
You have done nothing wrong, and I feel sorry for you being pilloried by a pack of nuts. Good Luck !
- At 4:08pm on February 19, 2009,
Vladimir said…
- Elena, one last thing, having read some of your posts. Your dog's behavior is consistent not necessarily with being abused, but with fear. So-called "aggression" toward other dogs is typically fear-based, your dog is insecure. The posturing (even snarling) is just that: posturing by a scared dog, and yes, it can lead to conflict. But it can be cured by you, he needs to be made to feel more secure. And you are correct, socializing him with other dogs (even taking walks in town) exposes him to people, places, things, and other dogs... he learns by repetition that these things will bring him no harm. It just takes time. Your intuition is good, you are on the right track. Try the book "Old Dog, New Tricks" by David Taylor, it is ideal for you (about shelter adopted dogs). His "shy" behavior comes from being insecure, and he will likely eventually get over it, but it can take a long time. I've been there, volunteering in a shelter, and the shyest dog can come around, if the people are patient. Also, the shelter will NOT give your name and address to this woman, even if she went there: that's confidential. Call them if you need reassurance on that issue: then relax.
- At 1:34pm on February 19, 2009,
Rea Rea said… - well if it's that kind of dog then enyone could have that womans dog. a lot of people have that kind of dog! i happen to know sevral people who have that dog and all look simlar!!!
- At 10:53am on February 19, 2009,
Vladimir said…
- Elena, it isn't likely at all that it would "come to court," you have read the comments in your discussion, and this woman's story does not pass the "say it out loud test" as I call it. Many posters have commented on the length of time your dog spent in the shelter, and how it is illogical for this woman to assert that she was looking for her dog. There was a case in my area where a man had his car stolen with his cat in it. It was truly hopeless. He simply would NOT give up. Everybody thought he was foolish, crazy, for being so determined in such a hopeless situation. Well, ten weeks later, it was incredible, but he got his cat, it was an amazing story. I would have committed suicide, he never gave up hope, he never stopped trying. This woman does not have effort like that to back up her story. And objectively, (perhaps "anecdotally" is more appropriate), I DO feel that it is appropriate to consider your observation that your dog did not run to her when she accosted you on the street. It is fair to ask, "why?" and a judge would surely do so. Forget all that abuse controversy, you need not defend your opinion, you just made a conversational observation. If asked to offer an opinion, I would say that the dog was happier with you, or at the least, not anxious to return to her. Something is WRONG when a dog does not run to it's "owner", it's just WRONG. Abused dogs do this. Her story does not wash. Don't let your dog off his leash in public (if she picked him up somehow-- who knows how?-- you would have problems), you don't want her showing up. I do not believe that she will. If your dog was somehow loose and she did though, the law is on your side and the police would seize the dog from her. I'm just saying, why be foolish, take precaution to avoid it. Time is on your side anyway, even if she is a bit crazed... she isn't gonna come after you 6 months from now, still claiming the dog is hers. If she were going to posture some remedy, she would have already done so. This is what people are telling you in your discussion: they keep saying "I would be crazy working to find my dog..." etc. How long ago was this confrontation? She hasn't and isn't doing anything about "her" dog. Get educated on the "surrender" laws in your state/community and that should make you feel better and more secure.
- At 10:48pm on February 18, 2009,
Vladimir said…
- Elena, you do not have an "adoption that has gone bad," you have YOUR dog. It is unfortunate, but dogs are considered property. You "own" the dog in the legal sense, since you adopted him from the shelter (money as consideration in this process is not necessarily relevant). The shelter followed their normal protocol. And frankly, 12 days is longer than most to establish that an animal is "stray" and can be adopted to a new owner. Check the legal definition in your state (and be certain it is not augmented by county or local ordinance). You may "feel bad" for this woman on some level, but the dog is yours. If you want to keep him, you should, and there is no reason to be intimidated by her. BTW, I saw some discussion in your thread about "bonding," and I disagree with setting an arbitrary definition of "time" necessary. You could have bonded with your dog in minutes... seconds even. The decision on what "time" that took is YOURS to make, and yours alone. Love between an animal and yourself could form immediately. Do not let ANYONE tell you that a certain period of time needs to have elapsed before the dog could bond with you. Be careful when you walk, and do not (unfortunately) let your dog off leash. If this woman approaches you again, immediately call the police (program the local number-- not 911 please-- into your cell phone). Then you should insist on a protective order against you that will be enforceable: the police will determine a distance from you from which she cannot violate legally. Be alert and get tough, now, if you need to. Something is not right with this woman's story, for all the reasons you mention.
- At 4:10pm on February 18, 2009,
Rea Rea said…
- what kind of dog is it?
- At 4:00pm on February 18, 2009,
Rea Rea said…
- for a fact my father lost his dog beacuse some man said it was his dog. then a month later the man stole it. watch out!
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You're still here Liddy? I thought you were banned??
You're incredibly boring. Your threats and foul language are simply no longer entertaining. You should be quite proud of yourself.
I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time you've been wrong about something.
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